See the wiki page for more information. One of the weirder things about modern culture is that we're not just constantly roasting Lana Del Rey. Unlike prose, writing composed in everyday language, poetry is considered a creative art and requires a different type of effort and a certain level of depth. If my enemy does not understand something, that’s because he is an idiot. Sorry, u/Nope_______________ – your comment has been removed for breaking Rule 5: Comments must contribute meaningfully to the conversation. New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast, More posts from the nerdfighters community. Can you list a couple of pieces that you felt were trying to distort a story so that it was unintelligible? Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. You can not know anything about music and still be moved by Bethoven’s fifth symphony (I know it moves me and I am not versed in music theory at all.). Honorary mention to Dylan Thomas' "Do not go gently into that good night", which is one of my favourite pieces of poetry. It was published, as an experiment, which, I hoped, might be of some use to ascertain, how far, by fitting to metrical arrangement a selection of the real language of men in a state of vivid sensation, that sort of pleasure and that quantity of pleasure may be imparted, which a Poet may rationally endeavour to impart. 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Sam Garland, also known on Reddit as /u/poem_for_your_sprog, is a hilarious internet poet. I completely disagree with the statement that making something complicated for the sake of making it complicated makes it better. I say this because in all of the other formats of expressing yourself you have no limits with what you can say. I have failed to find this balance with poetry, as I have yet to find a poem that doesn't take analysis to understand the meaning to enjoy it. Pretentious Love. Lyrics are often written separately from the music, and even when they're not, they are still totally consumable as a separate entity or 'part' of the song. Simultaneously, their fakery highlights the contours of your down-to … This so called "poetry" is absolutely dreadful, pretentious, & thoroughly embarrassing. .s5ap8yh1b4ZfwxvHizW3f{color:var(--newCommunityTheme-metaText);padding-top:5px}.s5ap8yh1b4ZfwxvHizW3f._19JhaP1slDQqu2XgT3vVS0{color:#ea0027} Great article Kevin. By Leigh Hart. Not man, not woman, not in between. Poetry To me Is none of that Pretentious tripe The fancy writers Use to describe Their chosen art form "The crying of the soul" "The words the heart speaks When the lips can't open" "A pain so intense That tears become words" Poetry To me Is just words That I'm too… He cited the idea of "heightened speech" and said essentially, Romeo and Juliet don't talk like actual teenagers either. But I think that it IS necessary to be and explore the limits of our language to present something beautiful. They have personal connections to what they create and you are almost able to feel what they are feeling. It would have been easier, and made for a far better Pretentious Poem, had I taken a full day to (a) ponder the pointlessness of life, (b) watch a marathon of Jason Statham films, (c) translate a book into Sanskrit, (d) kill half a bottle of bourbon and THEN (e) take two minutes to turn comment spam into poetry. Put this aside, and read the text and enjoy it. -reading poetry online, printing your favorites, and posting them on your walls-taking as much of your family’s clothing that they’ll let you have-rotating the same few shirts, pants, and shoes without anyone noticing-a lack of jewelry (because there are more important things)-sitting outside at a … For every poet pulling verses out of their ass, you'll have someone who writes something that will move you in ways you didn't think possible. how do you prefer to annotate them? It's not hard to write a Rupi Kaur poem: "the way they/leave/tells you/everything" but in good poetry every single word is carefully chosen and has multiple meanings. A reddit community for Nerdfighteria. Poetry is not about distorting a story. For modern poetry, you have Carol Ann Duffy whom I like a lot. Not necessarily, you could write in blank or free verse. Kudos to you, Bennie88, for having an honest question, asking it without fear, engaging in discussion and committing to investigating suggestions given by others. But to sum everything up. I come back to it later, when I feel like reading something beautiful, something which requires thought on many different levels. However, it does not really matter if you dislike it as long as some readers are pleased. ._33axOHPa8DzNnTmwzen-wO{display:block;padding:0 16px;width:100%}.isNotInButtons2020 ._33axOHPa8DzNnTmwzen-wO{font-size:14px;font-weight:700;letter-spacing:.5px;line-height:32px;text-transform:uppercase} Because of they way music is, lyrics tend to be a bit more straight forward and have minimal hidden meaning. Any art form has its own conventions. I think this is the perfect balance of complexity to simplicity, as on first glance it is enjoyable to everyone, and not at all polarising (otherwise why would "Superstition" be world famous?). 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Arguments in favor of the view OP is willing to change must be restricted to replies to other comments. You must love and suffer–suffer for the one you love. What I can tell you is that I personally am often moved by poetry. There are some artist (I personally find that they are mostly pop artist) they create a song or an album and though it took time to put it all together it is very simple, repetitive and lacks meaning. People criticized his books, especially TFIOS, of having characters who don't talk like actual teenagers. Love makes effort for the loved one. I do not see why poetry is taken seriously. 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There are plenty of poems that break the rules of the art form, as /u/mathiasa pointed out, but the best examples are the ones that know the rules they are breaking. You can not know anything about dance but still enjoy aesthetically the artistry of a talented ballet dancer practicing their craft. And they all—imho—tell very rich stories in very few words. There is no doubt in my mind that poetry is the most beautiful way of writing but that does not take away the fact that while writing poetry you have to use exaggerated metaphors. It does have some serious things to say about how poetry is affected by the poet (and particularly certain self-serious, pretentious poets), but it’s a funny poem. There are many types of poetry, including freeform. Unlike prose, writing composed in everyday language, poetry is considered a creative art and requires a different type of effort and a certain level of depth. The result has differed from my expectation in this only, that a greater number have been pleased than I ventured to hope I should please. you really have opened my eyes :). Poems are structured sort of in the way of a human thought process; All over the place and lots of meaning with every word. Ie, you can paint a crude picture of a man, and put it on the door of a men's bathroom. For instance by writing this I am expressing myself by writing about how poetry is pretentious. Poetry can be pretentious depending on who is writing and for what purpose. If you could accept the principle that song lyrics can be read as poetry, I think most people would agree that poetry is really cool. ._2cHgYGbfV9EZMSThqLt2tx{margin-bottom:16px;border-radius:4px}._3Q7WCNdCi77r0_CKPoDSFY{width:75%;height:24px}._2wgLWvNKnhoJX3DUVT_3F-,._3Q7WCNdCi77r0_CKPoDSFY{background:var(--newCommunityTheme-field);background-size:200%;margin-bottom:16px;border-radius:4px}._2wgLWvNKnhoJX3DUVT_3F-{width:100%;height:46px} Some of these habits are present in Lyrical Ballads, but some omitted. Poetry gets a bad rap for being esoteric, obtuse, unnecessarily complicated or convoluted, or pretentious. Growing, free from the bonds of earth. Think about the associations of the metaphors, how well crafted the language is to the habits or the omission of such habits. I'm not saying that there isn't pretentious poetry, especially in a kind of look-how-large-my-vocabulary-is way. THE FIRST volume of these Poems has already been submitted to general perusal. If I write, "my grandfather has died and now I am sad." ._3bX7W3J0lU78fp7cayvNxx{max-width:208px;text-align:center} It's very rare that the mood strikes, and I have to find the right kind of work. It is very easy to write bad poetry but it is also very hard to write good poetry. raven: what makes you feel most like a “dark academic”? . pages: do you annotate your books? /u/LegFinger (OP) has awarded 1 delta(s) in this post. Many, many people watch these regularly because they are accessible. Not all forms of poetry are restrictive. The pretentious flaws of others affirm your own intellectual or aesthetic expertise. If my enemy does not understand something, that’s because he is an idiot. Moreover, in Sweetdark, figurative language is often interspersed with a tone of colloquialism which fits seamlessly into the poetry. Poetry, like many other things, is different in Africa than in other parts of the world. My Captain! – St. Pophyrios of Kavsokalyvia St. Porphyrios made this statement in the context of love and suffering: That’s what it is! ._1x9diBHPBP-hL1JiwUwJ5J{font-size:14px;font-weight:500;line-height:18px;color:#ff585b;padding-left:3px;padding-right:24px}._2B0OHMLKb9TXNdd9g5Ere-,._1xKxnscCn2PjBiXhorZef4{height:16px;padding-right:4px;vertical-align:top}._1LLqoNXrOsaIkMtOuTBmO5{height:20px;padding-right:8px;vertical-align:bottom}.QB2Yrr8uihZVRhvwrKuMS{height:18px;padding-right:8px;vertical-align:top}._3w_KK8BUvCMkCPWZVsZQn0{font-size:14px;font-weight:500;line-height:18px;color:var(--newCommunityTheme-actionIcon)}._3w_KK8BUvCMkCPWZVsZQn0 ._1LLqoNXrOsaIkMtOuTBmO5,._3w_KK8BUvCMkCPWZVsZQn0 ._2B0OHMLKb9TXNdd9g5Ere-,._3w_KK8BUvCMkCPWZVsZQn0 ._1xKxnscCn2PjBiXhorZef4,._3w_KK8BUvCMkCPWZVsZQn0 .QB2Yrr8uihZVRhvwrKuMS{fill:var(--newCommunityTheme-actionIcon)} .FIYolDqalszTnjjNfThfT{max-width:256px;white-space:normal;text-align:center} That is what I mean by poetry being pretentious. So I see that you've already been convinced, but I'll just barge in to add my own two cents, because I really like poetry and I hope I can share my love with you: Here is some prose from u/toaster404 on post-war Britain. My great aunt in her house, dusty, lace and fancy fabric, a voice from another time, pictures edged in black of those who didn't return. Writing for a millennial and Gen-z audience, this frankness is refreshing and grounded – Sweetdark is not a collection aloft in pretentious ideals. The BOSS Open Mic/Poetry Slam is set for 6 p.m., Feb. 1 at Heise Pond, Alpine Lodge. It’s not the form that is inherently pretentious, just the culture around poetry that can seem that way, especially to someone not super-knowledgeable about it (which describes me, I am assuming there are plenty of subcultures within the poetry milieu that appreciate poetry that is easily understood, they are just not the stereotype.). If you take a Stevie Wonder song, it sounds catchy and enjoyable. I think you might be guilty of looking at poetry and getting upset that it doesn't fulfill certain utilitarian standards. So does literature. However, if you analyse it, you may find that the song is actually very complicated, and difficult to understand. It's another way of looking at the world and allowing subtext and symbolism to shape the world and your viewpoint. . Self-aggrandizing: Roach refers to the tendency of commenters on poetry to inflate their language in a way that deliberately makes poetry seem harder and creates barriers to discussion. The English language alone is not capable of conveying the gambit of emotion that humans feel. Advertisement. Building sunlight and sky into bricks and stone. Poetry (excluding spoken word performance,) isn’t like that. Try Langston Hughes' "I, too" for an example. That is a question that I have been repeatedly asking myself while I’m reading poetry. Whoever wants to become a Christian must first become a poet. 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